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N_20200417170030j_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 17:00:30j
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When inserting a card, decide
what hashtags it should have.
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N_20200417170030k_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 17:00:30k
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For each hashtag, write the new
card's ID on the hashtag card.
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N_20200417163513e_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 16:35:13e
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From those articles I've gleaned
a few facts, and I've started to
think from first principles about
what a Zettelkasten might be, not
in terms of what Luhmann did, but
in terms of what I might do
to achieve the same goal.
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N_20200417163711a_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 16:37:11a
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The physical realisation
of Luhmann's Zettelkasten
is a box of index cards.
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N_20200417164543a_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 16:45:43a
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Luhmann talks about "Articles and books
almost writing themselves" by having a
conversation with his ZK.
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N_20200417163623a_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 16:36:23a
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Luhmann talks about
"Having a conversation"
with his Zettelkasten.
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N_20200417170224b_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 17:02:24b
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Remember, I haven't read TNtSW,
so I have no idea how closely
this matches Luhmann's process.
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N_20200417170030c_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 17:00:30c
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One must find the parent. In doing
so, one must "interrogate" the ZK.
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N_20200417164009a_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 16:40:09a
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The immediate idea, then, is simply
to create a wiki, where each page
is the equivalent of an index card.
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N_20200417164139a_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 16:41:39a
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A wiki would not be limited to
a tree-like branching structure.
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N_20200417164339a_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 16:43:39a
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So a web-like structure in the Zettelkasten
would emerge, similar to what one can have
with a wiki.
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N_20200417172942a_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 17:29:42a
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So how does all this work
if what you have is a wiki?
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N_20200417163813b_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 16:38:13b
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When a card is inserted, the
"most appropriate parent card" is
chosen, and there's a system to
derive the reference number for
this card based on that card.
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N_20200417164443a_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 16:44:43a
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It's not at all clear whether any benefit
is derived from the "parent -> child"
specifics in Luhmann's Zettelkasten.
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N_20200417164301a_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 16:43:01a
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Even so, a given card could reference
another card by its index number.
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N_20200417170030l_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 17:00:30l
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For each hashtag card, look at
all the cards it references.
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N_20200417163813a_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 16:38:13a
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The index cards have reference numbers
that create a tree-like structure.
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N_20200417163513c_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 16:35:13c
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In that is described a
system by Niklas Luhmann
called the "Zettelkasten"
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N_20200417163513d_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 16:35:13d
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I haven't read TNtSW,
but I have read a lot
of articles in which
people talk about it.
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N_20200417163513a_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 16:35:13a
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Thinking about the
ZettelKasten ...
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N_20200417163513b_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 16:35:13b
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There's a book called
"Taking Notes the Smart Way"
(TNtSW)
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N_20200417163711b_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 16:37:11b
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On each index card is a
single thought, quotation,
reference, etc.
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N_20200417170615a_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 17:06:15a
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One of these cards is likely
to be a suitable parent.
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N_20200417164443b_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 16:44:43b
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I've found this is to be a
source of considerable debate.
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N_20200417170030a_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 17:00:30a
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Here's one hypothesis about how this
"conversation" thing might work.
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N_20200417163623b_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 16:36:23b
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So what might that look like
in a modern implementation?
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N_20200417170030b_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 17:00:30b
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How does one insert
a card into the ZK?
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N_20200417170224a_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 17:02:24a
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What follows is pure hypothesis, and
designed for Luhmann's physical ZK.
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N_20200417170030d_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 17:00:30d
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During this process, other
cards may come to light.
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N_20200417170030e_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 17:00:30e
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References to those cards are
put on this one, and vice versa.
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N_20200417170030f_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 17:00:30f
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This interaction with the
ZK is the "conversation"
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N_20200417170030g_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 17:00:30g
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But how does one find
the other cards?
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N_20200417170030h_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 17:00:30h
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On each card, in modern terms,
have some "hashtags".
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N_20200417170030i_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 17:00:30i
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For each hashtag, have a card with that
hashtag as its ID number, and containing
a list of cards with the hashtag
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N_20200417170030h_ColinWright->N_20200417170030i_ColinWright
N_20200417170336a_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 17:03:36a
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This is a process for creating a hashtag
indexing system, so all the cards with a
specific hashtag can be found efficiently.
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N_20200417170030m_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 17:00:30m
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For each of *those* cards, if it seems
closely related to the new card, put a
bidirectional reference between them.
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N_20200417170030n_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 17:00:30n
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Re-file all the cards.
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N_20200417173454a_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 17:34:54a
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There are existing systems:
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N_20211225103612a_MartinStellar
By MartinStellar
2021/12/25 @ 10:36:12a
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Don't forget @ObsidianMd.
I'm using it to create
an "interactive wiki
app/tool thing"
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N_20200417174006a_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 17:40:06a
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Org-Roam
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N_20200417173945a_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 17:39:45a
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Roam
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N_20211225221454a_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2021/12/25 @ 22:14:54a
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Is that a Twitter handle?
Are you sure it's right?
The account is suspended:
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N_20211226043130a_MartinStellar
By MartinStellar
2021/12/26 @ 04:31:30a
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Ah, sorry.
It's @obsdmd.
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N_20211225221454b_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2021/12/25 @ 22:14:54b
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https://twitter.com/obsidianmd
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N_20200417173614a_ColinWright
By ColinWright
2020/04/17 @ 17:36:14a
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This process is
"the conversation"
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