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%3 N_20200417170030j_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 17:00:30j -------------------------------- When inserting a card, decide what hashtags it should have.        (select only this node)     N_20200417170030k_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 17:00:30k -------------------------------- For each hashtag, write the new card's ID on the hashtag card.        (select only this node)     N_20200417170030j_ColinWright->N_20200417170030k_ColinWright N_20200417163513e_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 16:35:13e -------------------------------- From those articles I've gleaned a few facts, and I've started to think from first principles about what a Zettelkasten might be, not in terms of what Luhmann did, but in terms of what I might do to achieve the same goal.        (select only this node)     N_20200417163711a_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 16:37:11a -------------------------------- The physical realisation of Luhmann's Zettelkasten is a box of index cards.        (select only this node)     N_20200417163513e_ColinWright->N_20200417163711a_ColinWright N_20200417164543a_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 16:45:43a -------------------------------- Luhmann talks about "Articles and books almost writing themselves" by having a conversation with his ZK.        (select only this node)     N_20200417163513e_ColinWright->N_20200417164543a_ColinWright N_20200417163623a_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 16:36:23a -------------------------------- Luhmann talks about "Having a conversation" with his Zettelkasten.        (select only this node)     N_20200417163513e_ColinWright->N_20200417163623a_ColinWright N_20200417170224b_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 17:02:24b -------------------------------- Remember, I haven't read TNtSW, so I have no idea how closely this matches Luhmann's process.        (select only this node)     N_20200417170030c_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 17:00:30c -------------------------------- One must find the parent. In doing so, one must "interrogate" the ZK.        (select only this node)     N_20200417170224b_ColinWright->N_20200417170030c_ColinWright N_20200417164009a_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 16:40:09a -------------------------------- The immediate idea, then, is simply to create a wiki, where each page is the equivalent of an index card.        (select only this node)     N_20200417164139a_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 16:41:39a -------------------------------- A wiki would not be limited to a tree-like branching structure.        (select only this node)     N_20200417164009a_ColinWright->N_20200417164139a_ColinWright N_20200417164339a_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 16:43:39a -------------------------------- So a web-like structure in the Zettelkasten would emerge, similar to what one can have with a wiki.        (select only this node)     N_20200417164009a_ColinWright->N_20200417164339a_ColinWright N_20200417172942a_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 17:29:42a -------------------------------- So how does all this work if what you have is a wiki?        (select only this node)     N_20200417164009a_ColinWright->N_20200417172942a_ColinWright N_20200417163813b_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 16:38:13b -------------------------------- When a card is inserted, the "most appropriate parent card" is chosen, and there's a system to derive the reference number for this card based on that card.        (select only this node)     N_20200417164443a_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 16:44:43a -------------------------------- It's not at all clear whether any benefit is derived from the "parent -> child" specifics in Luhmann's Zettelkasten.        (select only this node)     N_20200417163813b_ColinWright->N_20200417164443a_ColinWright N_20200417164301a_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 16:43:01a -------------------------------- Even so, a given card could reference another card by its index number.        (select only this node)     N_20200417163813b_ColinWright->N_20200417164301a_ColinWright N_20200417170030l_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 17:00:30l -------------------------------- For each hashtag card, look at all the cards it references.        (select only this node)     N_20200417170030k_ColinWright->N_20200417170030l_ColinWright N_20200417163813a_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 16:38:13a -------------------------------- The index cards have reference numbers that create a tree-like structure.        (select only this node)     N_20200417163813a_ColinWright->N_20200417164139a_ColinWright N_20200417163813a_ColinWright->N_20200417163813b_ColinWright N_20200417163513c_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 16:35:13c -------------------------------- In that is described a system by Niklas Luhmann called the "Zettelkasten"        (select only this node)     N_20200417163513d_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 16:35:13d -------------------------------- I haven't read TNtSW, but I have read a lot of articles in which people talk about it.        (select only this node)     N_20200417163513c_ColinWright->N_20200417163513d_ColinWright N_20200417163513a_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 16:35:13a -------------------------------- Thinking about the ZettelKasten ...        (select only this node)     N_20200417163513b_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 16:35:13b -------------------------------- There's a book called "Taking Notes the Smart Way" (TNtSW)        (select only this node)     N_20200417163513a_ColinWright->N_20200417163513b_ColinWright N_20200417163513d_ColinWright->N_20200417163513e_ColinWright N_20200417163711a_ColinWright->N_20200417164009a_ColinWright N_20200417163711b_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 16:37:11b -------------------------------- On each index card is a single thought, quotation, reference, etc.        (select only this node)     N_20200417163711a_ColinWright->N_20200417163711b_ColinWright N_20200417163711a_ColinWright->N_20200417163813a_ColinWright N_20200417170615a_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 17:06:15a -------------------------------- One of these cards is likely to be a suitable parent.        (select only this node)     N_20200417164301a_ColinWright->N_20200417164339a_ColinWright N_20200417164443b_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 16:44:43b -------------------------------- I've found this is to be a source of considerable debate.        (select only this node)     N_20200417164443a_ColinWright->N_20200417164443b_ColinWright N_20200417170030a_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 17:00:30a -------------------------------- Here's one hypothesis about how this "conversation" thing might work.        (select only this node)     N_20200417164543a_ColinWright->N_20200417170030a_ColinWright N_20200417163623b_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 16:36:23b -------------------------------- So what might that look like in a modern implementation?        (select only this node)     N_20200417163623a_ColinWright->N_20200417163623b_ColinWright N_20200417163623a_ColinWright->N_20200417164543a_ColinWright N_20200417164139a_ColinWright->N_20200417164339a_ColinWright N_20200417163623b_ColinWright->N_20200417172942a_ColinWright N_20200417170030b_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 17:00:30b -------------------------------- How does one insert a card into the ZK?        (select only this node)     N_20200417170224a_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 17:02:24a -------------------------------- What follows is pure hypothesis, and designed for Luhmann's physical ZK.        (select only this node)     N_20200417170030b_ColinWright->N_20200417170224a_ColinWright N_20200417170030b_ColinWright->N_20200417170030c_ColinWright N_20200417170030a_ColinWright->N_20200417170030b_ColinWright N_20200417170030d_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 17:00:30d -------------------------------- During this process, other cards may come to light.        (select only this node)     N_20200417170030e_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 17:00:30e -------------------------------- References to those cards are put on this one, and vice versa.        (select only this node)     N_20200417170030d_ColinWright->N_20200417170030e_ColinWright N_20200417170030f_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 17:00:30f -------------------------------- This interaction with the ZK is the "conversation"        (select only this node)     N_20200417170030e_ColinWright->N_20200417170030f_ColinWright N_20200417170030g_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 17:00:30g -------------------------------- But how does one find the other cards?        (select only this node)     N_20200417170030f_ColinWright->N_20200417170030g_ColinWright N_20200417170030h_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 17:00:30h -------------------------------- On each card, in modern terms, have some "hashtags".        (select only this node)     N_20200417170030g_ColinWright->N_20200417170030h_ColinWright N_20200417170030i_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 17:00:30i -------------------------------- For each hashtag, have a card with that hashtag as its ID number, and containing a list of cards with the hashtag        (select only this node)     N_20200417170030h_ColinWright->N_20200417170030i_ColinWright N_20200417170336a_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 17:03:36a -------------------------------- This is a process for creating a hashtag indexing system, so all the cards with a specific hashtag can be found efficiently.        (select only this node)     N_20200417170030i_ColinWright->N_20200417170336a_ColinWright N_20200417170030i_ColinWright->N_20200417170030j_ColinWright N_20200417170030m_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 17:00:30m -------------------------------- For each of *those* cards, if it seems closely related to the new card, put a bidirectional reference between them.        (select only this node)     N_20200417170030l_ColinWright->N_20200417170030m_ColinWright N_20200417170030m_ColinWright->N_20200417172942a_ColinWright N_20200417170030m_ColinWright->N_20200417170615a_ColinWright N_20200417170030n_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 17:00:30n -------------------------------- Re-file all the cards.        (select only this node)     N_20200417170030m_ColinWright->N_20200417170030n_ColinWright N_20200417170224a_ColinWright->N_20200417170224b_ColinWright N_20200417173454a_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 17:34:54a -------------------------------- There are existing systems:        (select only this node)     N_20211225103612a_MartinStellar    By MartinStellar 2021/12/25 @ 10:36:12a -------------------------------- Don't forget @ObsidianMd. I'm using it to create an "interactive wiki app/tool thing"        (select only this node)     N_20200417173454a_ColinWright->N_20211225103612a_MartinStellar N_20200417174006a_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 17:40:06a -------------------------------- Org-Roam        (select only this node)     N_20200417173454a_ColinWright->N_20200417174006a_ColinWright N_20200417173945a_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 17:39:45a -------------------------------- Roam        (select only this node)     N_20200417173454a_ColinWright->N_20200417173945a_ColinWright N_20211225221454a_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2021/12/25 @ 22:14:54a -------------------------------- Is that a Twitter handle? Are you sure it's right? The account is suspended:        (select only this node)     N_20211225103612a_MartinStellar->N_20211225221454a_ColinWright N_20211226043130a_MartinStellar    By MartinStellar 2021/12/26 @ 04:31:30a -------------------------------- Ah, sorry. It's @obsdmd.        (select only this node)     N_20211225221454a_ColinWright->N_20211226043130a_MartinStellar N_20211225221454b_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2021/12/25 @ 22:14:54b -------------------------------- https://twitter.com/obsidianmd        (select only this node)     N_20211225221454a_ColinWright->N_20211225221454b_ColinWright N_20200417163513b_ColinWright->N_20200417163513c_ColinWright N_20200417173614a_ColinWright    By ColinWright 2020/04/17 @ 17:36:14a -------------------------------- This process is "the conversation"        (select only this node)     N_20200417173614a_ColinWright->N_20200417170030k_ColinWright N_20200417173614a_ColinWright->N_20200417170030b_ColinWright N_20200417173614a_ColinWright->N_20200417170030g_ColinWright N_20200417173614a_ColinWright->N_20200417170030c_ColinWright N_20200417173614a_ColinWright->N_20200417170030e_ColinWright N_20200417173614a_ColinWright->N_20200417170030l_ColinWright N_20200417173614a_ColinWright->N_20200417170030h_ColinWright N_20200417173614a_ColinWright->N_20200417170030i_ColinWright N_20200417173614a_ColinWright->N_20200417170030d_ColinWright N_20200417173614a_ColinWright->N_20200417170030j_ColinWright N_20200417173614a_ColinWright->N_20200417170030m_ColinWright N_20200417173614a_ColinWright->N_20200417170030a_ColinWright N_20200417173614a_ColinWright->N_20200417170030f_ColinWright N_20200417172942a_ColinWright->N_20200417173454a_ColinWright N_20200417170030c_ColinWright->N_20200417170615a_ColinWright N_20200417170030c_ColinWright->N_20200417170030d_ColinWright